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A less ranty (or so I've tried) and more simple notification from my last post... that can be  C&P / Link to this / whatever....

Over the years many fen have had reasons to remove their fanwork from online, or to dissociate their identities from that work.... maybe they are embarassed by their old work, maybe the law in their country (or one they moved to) considers some of their work (eg: chan) to be illegal and they fear for an Ex finding it out and using it to have their children or job or even freedom taken away, maybe they want to file off the serial numbers to turn it into pro-fic...

Pre-AO3 (and even after AO3) many fen had their own websites, and/or used small fandom or pairing specific ones, and they may have protected the site  from being archived into, for example, 'the Way Back Machine' (Archive.Org) by having a simple Robotos.txt excluding them.   Recently, Archive.org (and I have since learned several other 'archive' sites such as Archive.is and Webcite) have decided to ignore these Robotos.txts.    I  was horrified to find that tens of thousands of pages from several domains I own were suddenly public on these websites.... not just all our fanfics in entirity, but tons of personal, professional, hobby related and original-creative works. 

As for Webcite, I understand its purpose, but even forFanlore, there is NO REASON to use Webcite to archive EVERYSINGLE STORY on our website (probably as many words or more than all of HP series canon itself) just to provide a refrence that it exists - so if the archival sites have violated your robots.txts / TOS, better check that no one has misused Webcite, Arhcive.org. Archive,is, etc to copy all the work you may have had reason to take down or remove old versions that  had your name on them.  Fortunately, Webcite recognises archival of an entire cite and of certain types of creative or personal work doesn't belong in their archive and you can request it to be taken down if someone has misused their service as a way to keep copies of all their fav fanworks against the creators' wishes.

Please Alert your friends/reading list about this insensitive and illegal violation of personal space/wishes and legal copyright, so that if they took their work down, and wanted it to stay down, they can take action to remove it.

 

I was expecting The Archive.Org to be backlogged and slow with this, but I am rather pleased to say that if you send a Take Down Request to them, they are not that slow.  It was just a few days before I got a reply and the reply says that all pages should be removed from the public within 24 hrs.  ALthough I am pleased this was addressed promptly, I am still pissed that they did this in the first place.... if they felt Robots.txt didn't work for archives, they should have created and agreed to follow an 'archive.txt' and then provided a transitory time (say a year) for website owners to alll find out word of mouth about this and how to impliment it..   In comments on DreamWidth, I've included a copy of my Take Down notice to Archive.Org with personal info removed, to help anyone who isn't familiar with how to fill them out.

Some of the other archive (Archive.is etc) are acting like they are above international laws, and I'm starting to look at other possible avenues to deal with it (EFF, lawyers I dunno).  If you have experience with this or similar archives that could be of help, please let me know!

 

ADDITIONALLY, anyone affected by this should be aware that FANLORE, which claims to be about, by and for fen, is disrespecting fen, by using these illegal archives on their wiki.   For example, TELANU left Snarry fandom and removed her work from online. THe Fanlore page states she removed her work from online at the very top, and then in the info box right next to it, it links to Archived links that have copied her entire site!  Demonstratingly, they don't care what her wishes were, just that they can still access her work, in entirity, without knowing if it humiliates her, endangers her/her family, or dashes hopes for turn it into profic.  There is no excuse for ignorance when the fan's wishes are spelled out and Fanlore and its editors are all well aware of it!  

In my case, I had it written, on the Splash page and on the index page of all the stories/artwork the TOS ever since Intertexius first opened in 2003 that NO MATERIAL WAS TO BE ARCHIVED ANYWHERE and that if we died or something, someone we trusted had instructions on how to either maintain the site and/or where and how to archive it- furthermore, we are easy to contact if someone really felt something deserved archival or they wanted to use it in a presentation etc (And respectful academics HAVE done so, and I almost always agree to terms we are both happy with).  It wasn't even just screen caps of the splash page or an index of the stories to show what existed on the site/dates- there were links archived copies of EVERY SINGLE PAGE- every single story in entirity, all the artwork created both by us and our fans- EVERYTHING.   Sure, some of it technically is JKR's but its mixed up with a lot of original stuff (eg: Bernice the wandering rock) and those things do belong to us and fall under OUR copyright.  For all their own faults, as an editor on wikipedia since practically forever, I have to say that overall, people on wikipedia have treated me better than those on Fanlore- for example, when I myself uploaded my own original photos for use in an article, the other editors working on that article double checked with me that I understood and was OK with the GNU/CC terms given that my website prohibitted copying/archival, instead of just, YAY STUFF, *TAKE IT* and then goes to my website and takes the rest of it without permission, because, why not.  In comparison, Fanlore just strikes me as a hungry monster that doesn't care who/what it sucks in and hurts; it is just out to grow and profit at our expense/safety.

The burden of staying SAFE should not be dumped on the Fen's shoulders!   Fanlore's very description of purpose and ethics claim that they understand the sensitive nature of fen's ID and connection of that with their work.   Fanlore should be following as default, a policy that RESPECTS the fen their wiki is about...  DO NOT LINK TO ARCHIVES THAT IGNORE ROBOTS.TXTs!  DO NOT ARCHIVE MATERIAL IF THE SITE HAS A 'DO NOT ARCHIVE' TERMS OF SERVICE. ... In otherwords, don't break the law, do not endanger fen, respect the people your wiki is built on!  And don't lock/block people/pages for simply taking care of their safety first by removing those links and telling them to go dig through the site's verbose FAQs and info pages to try to figure out who to talk to, and worry about how long it will take to get the endangering material removed!

If you took your work down and find it is now public in Archive.org, archive.is, webcite etc, check Fanlore as well.   Remove any links that are to illegal copies, on the 'talk' page explain your purpose for doing so and that you are sending Take Down notices to those locations.  Sadly, as was I, you may find yourself and/or your pages blocked/locked and being told to go talk to staff like this is some kind of petty text-edit war (Yes, my protecting my copyright and personal safety was labelled by Fanlore as a petty 'Counter-productive edit war....'!).  I don't have the spoons for that atm, and I certainly have NO TRUST or FAITH inan organisation that treats the people they are profitting off of as shit, so why would I think spending spooons on contacting them will do any good?  What with my health, bugland's health, my grandmother's health, issues with the county violating ADA law, and now, dealing with a bunch of "we don't need to follow the law" Archives.  I really hate to think of the stress someone would be under if desperately trying to hide the chan they thought they took offline, and is now publically archived and made easy to find via fanlore, for fear of an Ex using it to take their kids away.

If others try to deal with them, I'd be interested to know what if anything worked, who you had to contact, how you had to phrase things to get yourself protected, and/or if they came to their senses and changed their policies to respect fen and their needs.


 


 

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ETA: I made a nother post that you can link to; please do as you may have people on your Friends/reading list whose safety, wishes, legal rights may have been violated and it includes info on some of what they can do about it.  http://alchemia.dreamwidth.org/304207.html


 

I've just lost almost all respect for Fanlore and the WayBackMachine.  Especially Fanlore- they at least should have the common sense to know that fen who work with certain subjects or live in certain countries, have personal safety issues that should come before a 'must archive everything just in case link rot, so we can grow our website, is the most important thing before the safety/wishes/rights of the people our site is about'  Talk about being exploitive!

And other so-called archival sites that consider themselves not just above robots.txt, but ignore copyright law and TakeDown notices- words cannot express what I wish upon their creators, and the people that use them to violate the wishes and legal rights of other people.

I am absolutely exhausted at the moment because the fucking 'war on drugs' caused our dr to have to, understandably, to not loose their license, have a 3 day wait period between when we are are used to picking up our fentynal, and when we actually COULD pick it up this time.  So we spent 3 agonising days in cold turkey withdrawal from 100mcg/48hr.  I got clonidine to help with the worst of it, but it made it so I couldn't even stand up without passing out so I had to crawl everywhere.   When we finally got our meds, I ended up in withdrawal from the clonodine- which basically meant that I couldn't fucking sleep for almost a whole week straight.  

So you want to know more about my hate for Fanlore and Archive.Org, you can read the genesis of my thoughts here:

https://cathexys.dreamwidth.org/508696.html?thread=13464088#cmt13464088

Link direct to my reply.  Yes I also am concerned about 'link rot'.  On sites where link rot is an actual issue (eg due to the LJ migrations with all the meta over thre) but FFS, link rot doesn't take precedent over that of the safety/prefrences of the fen.  Maybe some of them would even have locked those pages but lost access to the accounts, or left fandom and have no clue what they thought would stay on LJ is suddenly getting archived to a dozen different places that they would not want.  I outline one possible solution to respect fen identitiy while preserving pages.  

http://aethel.dreamwidth.org/362363.html
(my comment about 4 or 5 down) Disgust with Archive.Org (wayback machine) to after all these years, just BAM stop respecting robots.txt and make tons of stuff public.    I just had to send them Take Down Notices forTENS OF THOUSANDS of pages/images (mostly personal, hobby and business sites; only intertexius is fannish)

Ending finally with this:

http://fanlore.org/wiki/Talk:A_Bittersweet_Potion

(I removed only the archived links for Intertexius , no others, as its up to LJ etc if they will permit archival of public pages.   But it does make me think I'll be using the 'lock' feature a lot more in the future.  Might have some great discussions, and historically I've been of the mind that I welcomed public reading, but I do NOT welcome public copying to where-ever without my knowledge/permission.

Insted of recognising that OOOPS, shouldn't have linked to a page that has a DO NOT ARCHIVE TOS in bold letters at the top of the page and the splash page, the person locks it, and dumps the burden on me to go resolve the issue with fanlore staff.   Uhm, NO.   What if I was in a country where the law just changed to include chan fic as child porn and I had to rush to track down everyplace that might have something archived that associated my name with chan because I don't want an ex-spouse to find it and use it to get the gov't to take my kids away?   Fanlore is supposed to be AWARE of the unique issues fen deal with (Duh: http://fanlore.org/wiki/Fanlore:Identity_Protection ).  You don't dump that on the fen because 'oh no, what about link rot' (and we're not talking about LJ type migration issues here, but a site that's been around forever and the owners are easily contactable to find out their wishes, or ask if they can hold onto an archive in case we died without a will for the site or something).  Sorry, Fanlore FAILS. 

Why is it so difficult....? Just don't use links to Archives that break site TOS, break the law, etc and then:

1. you won't be supporting unethical archives and

2. Fen won't have to scramble with Fanlore on top of everthing else to figure out where they are exposed and how to hide it! 

Do what is RIGHT not EASY.  Yeash.  Good intentions, even worse execution that WayBackMachine because they can't claim ignorance about how such actions, that can connect people's identities with work that the general public may find "questionable", FUCKING ENDANGERS PEOPLE!

I find it DISGUSTING that Fanlore allows linking to archives that have copied Telanu's Tea Series after she removed it from the snarry archive for whatever her personal reasons were- it even SAYS on the top of the fanlore page ( http://fanlore.org/wiki/The_Tea_Series ) that she TOOK IT OFF LINE, and then in the info box right next to it,  provides a bunch of archived links to the whole fucking story!  You cannot claim ignorance, that's just plain disrespectful. Is her safety at stake?  Her pride?  Was she planning to file off the serial numbers to write pro-fic, and now thanks to some fucking SELFISH arses who think they have more right to her work than she who created it, she can't do that, because its easy for a publisher to see/find the connection and reject the work for fear of legal issues, so her hopes and dreams and possible career have been destroyed?  WHO CARES WHO GETS HURT OR HOW!?  YOU THE FAN ARE NOTHING TO FANLORE, YOU ARE THEIR COMMODITY, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY HURT YOU, AS LONG  AS IT MEANS THAT THEY GET TO 'GROW'!  If they did care, like they claimed, they'd never permit links to archives that ignore robots.txts that once gave us control of our sites,  and / or archives that don't have simple Take Down methods, or flat refuse to take down.

OOOPs I guess I needed to rant a bit more anyway but now I have to get back to more fucking Take Down notices for yet other archive sites that, like Archive.is, think they not only can ignore Robots.txt, but they can ignore copyright, ignore TOS, claim they "cannot" "take down" pages because they are somehow "above" international copyright laws.... have to deal with 2 dozen other medical issues I don't even want to discuss here, injured service dog, and never mind whatelse right now....

I can't tell anyone what to do of course, but I highly suggest/hope that if you use Fanlore, donate to them, whatever, please stop, and tell them you won't resume until they stop putting "archival" and the growth of their website, before the safety, wishes and legal rights of fen, and stop putting the burden of asking them to respect us on us, instead of respecting the people their site is supposed to be about from the start.



ETA 2: Cute!   On the page's history the person locked it claiming that making an edit to protect my copyright and personal safety is a petty ' Counter-productive edit war....'.   Fanlore has greater responsibility than Archive.org because they KNOW links like this are not just illegal, but PUT FEN IN REAL DANGER, yet they ignore this for growth and profit.   That makes them amongst the most disgusting, and despicable things existing on the internet.

sscrewdriver

Jul. 15th, 2017 05:25 pm
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anyone know how to reach sscrewdriver?  they were on lj http://sscrewdriver.livejournal.com/ and i found them on deviant art, but neither have been updated for a long while and private messages/comments are unanswered.  i'd like to ask to have abp_meta comm on lj transfered to someone else as theyre no longer in the fandom.

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Jul. 15th, 2017 03:34 am
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can't believe i didnt see/comment on this first time around.... from a comment in the ABP_meta group...
abp-meta.livejournal.com/1279.html#t30207






really cant wait to get posting again... ten yr anniversary for last update, fifteenth for first book's first chapter.... mostly i'm slowed by pain and insomina and watching over bug when they have multiple day long seizures b/c the effing hospital thinks  temporal lobe manifestations are just people ODing on opiates or trying to get some.  Trying to finish basic website layout/server and doing some clean up on the published fics, with new chapter within yr.  thats my goal/focus.  once i get the new site software running i'll prolly take a 'break' and do a Q&A  to help readers catch up after the long hiatus.

archive.is violations?

Jul. 14th, 2017 09:03 pm
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so archive.is is copying my material, even though some of it is original and ignoring robots.txt (their faqs claim they dont have to).  pissed off doesnt even begin to describe their blatent disregard for authors, artists, copyright, personal safety, etc.

any one dealt with them before and getting stuff removed?

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oh man, this makes me sad... not getting a negative review, but the 'cause' for it.  What are they failing to teach kids in school these days?  They're complaining about not understanding stuff  learned in effing junior high!

forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php

its a pastiche... in the style of ancient mesopotamian stories.  You don't have to like the style, but thats completely seperate from if the authour managed to replicate the style effectively or not  (eg: 1/5 because i dont like the style, but 4/5 for execution and adherance to original style) There is TON of repetition and their own style of prose/poetry, not to mention that  lacuna or missing fragments is a common (and honest) fearure of translations from such long dead languages ... and as a computer programmer i know that sometimes disks/drives can be damaged in such a way that bits are missing here and there.  Recovering data, from damaged disks or ancient cuniform tablets is no easy feat, and just getting some of it, enough to understand it, despite the lacuna, is a great achievement.

  • but its too hard to read because it was too stylistic and bad at it .
  • but the author failed to 'recover' the lost fic because of all thé missing parts.
  • the lacuna makes it a 'WIP' 
  • they just threw together ideas with no direction (i fucking followed the gilgamesh plot near-exactly, starting from the scorpian scene)
  • i havent read it, but don't rec it. (my favourite kind of review!).

FFS, try reading the source text, Gardner's Gilgamesh being a decent one for the unitiated i think, and which i used as a refrence for writing, along with a collected book on stories from the setting and Ishtar ones, but googlimg 'gilgamesh + text' will pop up some older versions, some which try to fill in or skip the lacuna, others use '........' to indicate lacuna etc, and some try to modernise the style, but as i was writing for someone with interest in the subject, i went with what was the closer imho reading.  Anyway, if you get Gardner's book, note the style, note the lacuna, note the footnotes about the discovery, translation and words that no one agrees the meaning for...(Dead language meta...just was was Voldemort's 'Wawu'?).  The very epic of Gilgamesh is about a man's hopeless quest for immortality (and other things, Voldie wouldnt understand really, and evidently, neither do a lot of fans who dont seem to have read anything other than badly written modern fantasy)

And i see even the fannish meta went right over their heads ::eyeroll::  like Mrs Bough being killed by an anvil after arguing about the believability of canon pairings ("[re Ron and Hermioned]" I do feel that I have dropped heavy – hints. ANVIL-sized, actually, hints, prior to this point. ). or about fanfic forming a new mythos, in which, through various incarnations, from DE orgies to Prada suits, Voldie does obtain a sort of immortality, just not the kind he was intending.  (second pargraph of fic)

I don't care if feedback is positive, negative or so-so... but back it up! 

i'd love to how, for example,if i  succeeded or even failed at pastiche etc.   But you can't make a coherent attempt at feedback that can be of any use to the author, or to potential readers, if you criticise or praise patiche (or any other style) without having a clue about what it is or what the original work was like.  Complaining about their own ignorance as my failing doesn't tell me about my writing or how to improve; it doesnt tell readers what to expect, or how to approach the fic.  It does  tell me about their ignorance and their inability to recognise/learn... i'd have thought someone interested in a fic that incorporates a mythos or culture or literary tradition etc one was unfamiliar with would, you know, do a little googling to figure it our before revealing one's ignorance to the internet. 

Is this why they expressed that they were doubtful of anything posted to livejournal... to many educated people in the journal communities?  stick with the like minded uneducated so you can appear to be, and think you are, smart, and never have to question your ignorances or biases.... (oh how much ive learned on LJ and DW, i have to make a post about that one day, a sorta general thankyou to all the, many i dont recall names of, who educated me on so many things soon as i realised shutting my mouth and listening would take me farther in understand other people and the world.)

anyway, i'm guess i'm lucky they didnt try reading the Gertrude Stein crossover pactiche; it  most likely  would have got negative stars, lol!

example from a public domain text, though i like Gardener's better....

Urshanabi arrived at the Waters of Death.
Urshanabi said to Gilgamesh:
"Hold back, Gilgamesh, take a punting pole,
but your hand must not pass over the Waters of Death ... !
Take a second, Gilgamesh, a third, and a fourth pole,
take a fifth, Gilgamesh, a sixth, and a seventh pole,
take an eighth, Gilgamesh, a ninth, and a tenth pole,
take an eleventh, Gilgamesh, and a twelfth pole!"
In twice 60 rods Gilgamesh had used up the punting poles.
Then he loosened his waist-cloth(?) for...
Gilgamesh stripped off his garment
and held it up on the mast(!) with his arms.
Utanapishtim was gazing off into the distance,
puzzling to himself he said, wondering to himself:
"Why are 'the stone things' of the boat smashed to pieces!
And why is someone not its master sailing on it?
The one who is coming is not a man of mine, ...

I keep looking but not...
I keep looking but not ...
I keep looking..."

[lines are missing here.]

Utanapishtim said to Gilgamesh:
"Why are your cheeks emaciated, your expression desolate!
Why is your heart so wretched, your features so haggard!
Why is there such sadness deep within you!
Why do you look like one who has been traveling a long distance
so that ice and heat have seared your face!
... you roam the wilderness!"

Gilgamesh spoke to Utanapishtim saying:
"Should not my cheeks be emaciated, my expression desolate!
Should my heart not be wretched, my features not haggard!
Should there not be sadness deep within me!
Should I not look like one who has been traveling a long distance,
and should ice and heat not have seared my face!
... should I not roam the wilderness)
www.ancienttexts.org/library/mesopotamian/gilgamesh/tab10.htm

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